Fares and "Huge deficit" under GCM "clearly not sustainable"

last SG · 2017-03-09T00:59:57+00:00

Anyway, my point is, let’s hope that the opposition raise whatever we discussed here to the parliament.

gekpohboy SG

but, honestly, ever since they add new trains to the NEL, I feel that the trains are less cramp, in fact just nice only can enter the train during peak hours.

the NEL rationalisation is obviously to benefit SBS Transit, since they were able to edit bus routes then.

maybe it's because of the overwhelming demand in the North-East region that the LTA has been introducing many city direct bus services at Hougang, Sengkang and Punggol.

but as the North-East region develops, it's better to have another MRT line eventually. That is why we have the Cross Island Line. But for now, it's better to have more trunk routes or express routes to connect the North East region to the city centre.

dupdup77 SG

All, in actual reality there is nothing much we can do. In the meantime, just enjoy new bus services 374 and 381 introduced this Sunday. Cheers. Thanks.

carbikebus SG

All, in actual reality there is nothing much we can do. In the meantime, just enjoy new bus services 374 and 381 introduced this Sunday. Cheers. Thanks.

Ya enjoy all Citolo fleets..I am more excited about TTS 12.8m DD instead

dupdup77 SG

Ya enjoy all Citolo fleets..I am more excited about TTS 12.8m DD instead

Hi mr carbikebus, I think you typo. Should be citaro. Not citolo. Cheers. Thanks.

carbikebus SG

Hi mr carbikebus, I think you typo. Should be citaro. Not citolo. Cheers. Thanks.

Old BC call it Chi To Lo,For Volvo its Bobo,Mercedes is Mah See Dee,Dennis is Dennit,MAN is Mengg..

array88 SG

I personally feel that it is absurd to introduce short trains like these. CCL understandable since it was planned long long ago. But wtf were they thinking with the DTL and TEL?!

Clearly these are services that will have high catchment, and will even serve as TRUNK lines for some sectors. Simultaneously they kept harping on the white paper and whatever "car-free nation". No matter how many trains you inject the system will max out eventually. So spamming the line with trains is clearly not a solution. I think that it is irony at its best. LTA clearly has no bloody idea what it wants to achieve.

I was one of those who keep complaining about 3-car trains on DTL long time ago, but I have to admit that DTL is still much less crowded than other lines (even CCL). But when DTL3 opens, it could be a different story.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Problem is full automation of NSEWL.

Driverless Train Operation (DTO) is rejected for the NSEWL after the illegal strike involving SMRT bus workers in 2012.

So we proceed on to closure of ticket offices.

carbikebus SG

Actually rather than introduce so many feeder/short trunk svc that will jammed up Interchange,LTA should introduce one express bus svc to city/one end from all region.

Example:505 Punggol-Temasek Ave via Orchard(City uni direction like current 502/518)

iveco SG

Old BC call it Chi To Lo,For Volvo its Bobo,Mercedes is Mah See Dee,Dennis is Dennit,MAN is Mengg..

Spoken like a Chinese helicopter.

carbikebus SG

Spoken like a Chinese helicopter.

Wakakaka...and they call the BYD ee lik trick bus..đ

gekpohboy SG

To be honest, the concession pass for adult is just for show. The concession pass is $120, when one month we only spend up to $102.48 on public transport (if we travel every day). Without the pass is cheaper.

Unless they set the price at $70 or below. But unlikely they will, cuz otherwise, the fares would be even more unsustainable.

gekpohboy SG

Even the one for NS men ($85) I don't think it's worth buying, cuz, it's not as if NS men take public transport everyday.

The only concession pass worth buying are the ones for primary school, secondary school and JC/Poly/ITE. Because understandably, the parents are the ones paying for the students to take public transport. It's better to help the parents subside the cost of raising a child.

SMB145B SG

Not necessarily so - they give people more connections besides just that one MRT / bus interchange. As long as the trunks come at good frequency.

Trunks at good frequency?

And also trunks do not match the last train timing at the respective bus interchange.

SMB145B SG

Garmen flip-floping. Want a hub and spoke system, then build the interchange so dam small. Then later chop route like no tomorrow. Hassle free public transport, yet have to change buses and trains. Because of someone, no more direct bus.

carbikebus SG

That's why after i scrap my Honda car 4 years ago,I switch back to motorcycle for working purpose.My wife MPV car still got another 3 years to go and we plan to extend for another 5 years depending on the COE market.Unless i see more direct basic trunk and more longer route in future which i see wouldn't be happen

SMB128B SG

DTL3 is precisely what I'm talking about. See, its ridiculous to plan such long lines and expect short trains to tank the load. The outcomes in many instances have been proven to be disastrous.

If DTL2 and DTL3 are really going to have such vast loading differences they shouldn't have been joined up tgt in the first place. Anyway a long line is going to be eventually the worst hit in times of an electrical or signal failure.

^tamago^ SG

Actually rather than introduce so many feeder/short trunk svc that will jammed up Interchange,LTA should introduce one express bus svc to city/one end from all region.

Example:505 Punggol-Temasek Ave via Orchard(City uni direction like current 502/518)

Good plan. Now that there is (supposedly) no pressure to recoup costs, we can launch these services at an attractive express fare of around $2. But we can't keep adding buses to our fleet and clog up the roads. Will planners be able to wthdraw routes at the same time? Reduce the headway of feeder services according to market demand should people switch to express buses in a big way? There needs an overhaul of the bus service network, and people need to understand that there are always alternatives to every bus service withdrawal and amendment. If not, the bus network will look more and more like a patchwork of new services atop existing ones.

dupdup77 SG

Good plan. Now that there is (supposedly) no pressure to recoup costs, we can launch these services at an attractive express fare of around $2. But we can't keep adding buses to our fleet and cog up the roads. Will planners be able to wthdraw routes at the same time? Reduce the headway of feeder services according to market demand should people switch to express buses in a big way? There needs an overhaul of the bus service network, and people need to understand that there are always alternatives to every bus service withdrawal and amendment. If not, the bus network will look more and more like a patchwork of new services atop existing ones.

Hi mr tamago, the intention is good.

In idealistic world, I am all for it. In realistic world, it will not work. Cheers. Thanks.

gekpohboy SG

Good plan. Now that there is (supposedly) no pressure to recoup costs, we can launch these services at an attractive express fare of around $2. But we can't keep adding buses to our fleet and cog up the roads. Will planners be able to wthdraw routes at the same time? Reduce the headway of feeder services according to market demand should people switch to express buses in a big way? There needs an overhaul of the bus service network, and people need to understand that there are always alternatives to every bus service withdrawal and amendment. If not, the bus network will look more and more like a patchwork of new services atop existing ones.

Example on how to overhaul the bus route network?

sgbuses SG

Example on how to overhaul the bus route network?

Try Canberra and Adelaide.

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